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Tuesday, January 26, 2010

HAES - yes or no? by Mary45

HAES - yes or no?
When you read the FA-blogs you notice that there's a lot of talk about exercising according to the principles of HAES (Health at Every Size). One of the leading HAES-gurus and fitness-instructors is Kelly Bliss (www.kellybliss.com).

The basic idea is that the primary goal of exercise should be health and not weight-loss, and that you can enjoy exercise regardless of your size. This all sounds wonderful to me, good health and not appearance should be the ultimate goal for any exercise-regime, and your size should never prevent you from working out. I'm all for this philosophy - but after checking out Kelly Bliss' homepage I still have a huge problem with HAES.

For exercise to improve your health you need to challenge your body. It goes without saying that the intensity that is needed depends on how fit you are. For someone who weighs 250 pounds and is new to exercise a 10 min walk or similar can be more than enough of a challenge, but for someone who has some 30-40 pounds extra and is used to walking, a gym-session with some jogging or other cardio, plus some resistance-training, that works up a good sweat is a good beginner-level challenge.

IMO a good rough thumb-rule is that at beginner-level you should sweat and feel some discomfort for some 20-30 mins for a work-out to be beneficial.

The idea is that when you get into an exercise regime your fitness improves, and you gradually have to do more to keep challenging your body and get continued health-benefits.

It's up to the individual what level of fitness you think is enough for you, ie when you think that you are in so good a shape that you don't concentrate on continuous improvement, but just on maintaining the level that you have achieved.

Monday, January 25, 2010

Proximity bias - why leading by example doesn't work

One of the most common pieces of advice handed out to unhappy fit spouses is to "lead by example", I've probably dished it out myself more times than I can remember. And yet, as most of you probably know all too well already, it rarely works. If it's any consolation, there's a scientific term for it, "proximity bias", meaning in plain language that people don't respect your knowledge and take your advice if they know you intimately.

Chris Shugart (yes, yes, I know, I keep quoting him, but it's because I usually like what he has to say) wrote an article on it, you can read it below.

However, in this context I can't resist relating my own experiences with proximity bias. In a nutshell, I'm very lean and fit but my husband of 20+ years is borderline obese. He'd like to lose weight and get in better shape but can't seem to find the right way to go about it. I keep trying to tell him what to do, but somehow to him I'm just lil' ol' me, and he seems to think I am what I am today because of genetics and my personality, not because I actually might have a fair amount of knowledge and personal experience as to how to lose fat permanently and get and stay in shape. Still, he has seen me go through a period when I was getting both fat, sedentary and unhealthy, but I managed to make a lasting lifestyle change almost two decades ago. Sure, I don't have any official credentials and can't call myself an expert and I've never worked as a personal trainer and I don't consider myself an athlete. To me what I do is just my normal way of life, nothing noteworthy or exceptional.

On the other hand, I often have new acquaintances inquire about what kind of sport I do, one fellow who is a plastic surgeon noted that I must be extremely active as it shows in the way I look and how I move. At the age of 44 I had a hysterectomy and at the pre-op medical check my doc stated "ah, so you must be an athlete". When I woke up post-op there was some sort of beep-alarm going off and a lot of commotion in the room, but the nurse at my bedside called out "don't worry, she's an athlete, her pulse is supposed to be very low". I recently joined a new gym, and at my introduction session the PT said, as we shook hands and introduced ourselves, "so you've obviously exercised a lot before". Later on one day the owner came up to me and stated that "you've obviously been exercising for several years, what kind of stuff have you done - I can see that you like working hard" and then went on to show me how to do squats, bench presses and assisted pullups, no extra charge (I'm a newbie at free weights). And so on and so forth, so I guess I know a thing or two that could come in useful for my hubby. And yet, he's not very interested in my "expertise". But lo and behold, this winter one of his buddies he hadn't seen for six months had lost a lot of weight and appeared much healthier than before. Hubs asked him what he'd done, and it turned out that he had followed the Michel Montignac-principles for half a year and was, of course, very enthusiastic. Montignac is a French chap who's written a diet-book that is basically new-school Atkins with a few twists. His conclusions are mostly bull***t, but there's plenty of lean proteins and enough fruit and veg to keep you healthy, so provided you control the amount you eat you certainly can and will lose weight on it.

My initial reaction was to tell hubs that there really is nothing that special about this particular diet, and in fact the science of it is completely flawed, but his response was "what do you know and look at this guy (his buddy), he's a walking testimony that it must work big time". - Okay, so I did the sensible thing and swallowed my pride and have been cooking "a la Montignac" for a couple of months now. Sure, hubby has actually lost some weight, although the process is very slow as he doesn't exercise that much and still tries to cheat whenever I turn my back. Good thing is he's found something he actually believes in and at least really tries to stick with. My "you shouldn't really eat that" never hit home, but a "that is not allowed on Montignac" is surprisingly effective! So whatever floats your boat and so on... and understanding "proximity bias" helps me deal with the fact that my knowledge and expertise is worth less than that of a populistic Frenchman and a guy who very recently managed to lose part of his excess weight....

Anyways, here's the article I was talking about

Sunday, January 24, 2010

Watching FA Bloggers on You Tube







I realize this is old news, but I thought Monique and Rachel came across remarkably well in that show, and I have to admit that of all the FA bloggers these two are the ones I disagree with the least. Rachel's history is, I believe, that she did at one point diet down to "normal weight" with a very restrictive and low-calorie diet combined with plenty of high-intensity aerobic exercise (running I think). What happened was that she couldn't keep it up without making herself ill and deteriorating into an eating disorder. I'm no expert, but I believe that this is what might well happen if you use too drastic methods for weight loss for an extended period of time: your metabolism slows down (thyroid ceases to function normally), and the more you restrict your diet and increase your exercise, the harder it becomes to loose the weight or even maintain it - and in the end both your physical and mental health will suffer, and you run the risk of malnutrition, injuries and burnout. This is why very low calorie diets, detox-regimes, liquid diets etc should never be used without medical supervision (in my neck of the woods VLCDs are recommended only for the very severely obese), and especially not combined with a strenuous exercise regime.

"HAES" (health at every size) and "Intuitive eating" then? Sure, both sound lovely at a first glance. Of course you should exercise for pleasure and general wellbeing rather than just for weightloss, and eating when you are hungry and stopping when you are full is very sensible. However, HAES and the FA's interpretation of intuitive eating don't stop there.

Saturday, January 23, 2010

What is meant by "supporting the fat spouse"?

Mary45 posted this question in six parts on the My Fat Spouse forum this week. You can read her post and the answers she got by clicking here




What I would very much like to know though is, what is meant by "supporting the fat spouse"? I mean,

1) are you supposed to tell them what to eat and how much, or is that "nagging" that will backfire?

2) Should you tell them off when they eat crap/fattening stuff, or is that being too controlling and a "food police"?

3)Same question re. exercise, should you keep asking them to join you in being active or are you causing resentment by going on about it too much?

4) If there's any form of progress at all, should you comment on it or is it interfering and implying that you don't "love them as they are"?

5) How about "leading by example" then, should you make sure you are ultra-lean and fit yourself, or is that seen as obsessive - but on the other hand don't you need to be the closest thing to "perfect" you can ever be in order to have the right to comment on your spouse's habits?

6) Now it appears that a couple of new issues have come up (see Lightningbolt's post in the Motivating your spouse - section):

6a) Could you be partly guilty for the fat spouse overeating and getting fat if you've kept mum and didn't comment on the weight gain in its very early stages, and
6b) are you actually being "dishonest" if you don't tell them to their face that they are physically repulsive?

or as a summary of 6a & 6b, can you rely on fat spouses knowing themselves that they've gained a lot and are fat and unattractive, or do they need to be told - and if so, at what stage of the weight gain is it appropriate to bring it up?

Women and Porn

This is from one of Mary45's posts from the "Finding a Sex Buddy" thread on the My Fat Spouse forum


I have a hard time pinpointing exactly why, but I'm sometimes very irritated with womens' abhorrence for porn while I agree that probably most things about how the industry works is very wrong, but I don't think that porn in itself is necessarily a bad thing. I'm also convinced that more or less all men consume it to some extent, and very few are addicted to it. Some women also enjoy porn, but I'm not one of them, I'm not "visual" in that respect.

What iffs me is first and foremost the way women discuss the females who make a living that way. It's true that many aren't treated well, are too young and not paid well enough and so on. However, women who get all worked up over the "exploitation" of the sex-workers have no problems with buying clothes, furniture, fabrics etc that are produced by veritable (child)slave labor. Regarding sweat shops, child labor and so on, no-one is suggesting that we should stop buying clothes and furniture altogether, but rather that we need more consumer awareness and these industries must take responsibility for where the goods is coming from and how and by whom it's made.

What I'm saying is that imo rather than condemning porn as a whole we need something along the lines of a "fair trade" system/label on porn. The industry should not be run by people on the fringes of criminal organisations that operate in human trafficking, there should be a minimum age (25?), the working conditions must be properly regulated and that sort of thing. Porn that feeds violence, rape, abuse of minors etc should not be tolerated either.

What I can't agree with is the view that all female sex-workers are victims, and either mentally disturbed and ill or forced/lured into the industry. Certainly, the way the industry is operated in large parts of the world today too many women are indeed victims, but there are also many who do it of their own free will and do not need to be "saved from themselves". If a grown up woman choses this line of work, then I don't see why society should object. And incidentally, I don't see anyone being worried about the fate of the male sex-workers. All in all it looks to me like our strong reaction against porn is based on a very Victorian idea about women: A woman who is sexually promiscuous is either mentally ill or a victim, and having sex with several men or her naked body seen by a multitude of men, is unnatural and will inevitably lead to her destruction.

Incidentally, a young female feminist researcher in my neck of the woods recently conducted a study on the local sex workers (mainly prostitution). Her conclusion was that, contrary to popular belief, for the women it can be a job just like any other, the majority of them are not victims of child-abuse or rape, nor drug addicts, and are able to move on with their lives without having suffered any apparent damage.

Tuesday, April 15, 2008

Weight-loss army-style by Mary45

Is your spouse driving you crazy with "losing weight is too hard", "I don't feel like exercising today" and "I'll starve if I don't eat"? For those of you in the UK there might be a solution - or at least a way to prove that a walk in the park and foregoing icecream is no big deal after all.

I dunno how you could get your spouse to go willingly though, and sending him/her off with a promise of "a surprise all-inclusive pampering spa-holiday" might not do the relationship any favours. But here it is anyway:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/article1040517.ece

It's not going to give lasting results and it's probably unhealthy as hell in the long run too. But I still like it. In fact I absolutely love it! It should teach the most stubborn exercise-hater to tell the difference between slight discomfort from light exercise and total exhaustion and pain from going flat out and beyond. And you won't come back still thinking that you'll drop dead if you don't get to satisfy a craving instantly.

If you can survive this for a week you'll very likely realise what you are physically and mentally capable of if you really set your mind to it.

The testimonials at www.newyoubootcamp.com seem to show genuine satisfaction among clients who are ordinary folks.

Monday, January 28, 2008

Hating the FA movement and the message it is spreading amongst young women by Mary45

The bloggist "She Dances On The Sand" asks in a recent post why so many formerly fat women hate the FA so much. I'm one of those formerly fat women who is very upset by them, so I'll explain the reasons for my hatred.

Here is a copy-paste form the homepage of The World Health Organisation

Online Q&A
16 November 2006
What are the health consequences of being overweight?

Question and answer archives

Q: What are the health consequences of being overweight?

A: The latest WHO projections indicate that at least one in three of the world's adult population is overweight and almost one in 10 is obese. Additionally there are over 20 million children under age five who are overweight.

Being overweight or obese can have a serious impact on health. Carrying extra fat leads to serious health consequences such as cardiovascular disease (mainly heart disease and stroke), type 2 diabetes, musculoskeletal disorders like osteoarthritis, and some cancers (endometrial, breast and colon). These conditions cause premature death and substantial disability.

What is not widely known is that the risk of health problems starts when someone is only very slightly overweight, and that the likelihood of problems increases as someone becomes more and more overweight. Many of these conditions cause long-term suffering for individuals and families. In addition, the costs for the health care system can be extremely high.

The good news is that overweight and obesity are largely preventable. The key to success is to achieve an energy balance between calories consumed on one hand, and calories used on the other hand.

To reach this goal, people can limit energy intake from total fats and shift fat consumption away from saturated fats to unsaturated fats; increase consumption of fruit and vegetables, as well as legumes, whole grains and nuts; and limit their intake of sugars. And to increase calories used, people can boost their levels of physical activity - to at least 30 minutes of regular, moderate-intensity activity on most days.


I could leave it at that, but to clarify my very strong views I will relate my personal experiences. 15 years ago when I was at the age of 30 I came to a crossroads in my life. I had been thin through my university years, but had since married, settled down and started building my career in a demanding profession with long hours and little time for rest, exercise and caring for my health. My weight had crept up slowly but steadily about 3 kilos per year, and I had circa 15 kilos excess weight.

I wasn't feeling well and had difficulties sleeping, and at a health check was told by my doctor to lose weight and start an exercise regime. I was offended to have someone tell me I'm "too fat", but on the other hand I had to admit that it was the simple and honest truth. I decided to take my doctor's advice and found a form of exercise that suited my busy schedule and was said to be simple and effective. I started on a jogging-regime with the goal of running a 10k in one go. I also set out to find out about nutrition and how different foods affect your body and you weight. I managed to lose the weight and jogging became my favorite form of exercise and a hobby, something I still do almost every day because of the pleasure it gives me.

Today I'm 45 and my bmi is 21,5. My body is healthy and strong, and I can engage in almost any form of popular sport and physical activity that takes my fancy. I like to go sailing and kayaking, I'm a certified scuba-diver, I have been on a trek in Nepal, I can ski down mosts pists open to the public and I can challenge the guys at my golf-club. I don't need any form of medication whatsoever, and I have recovered from a hysterectomy in record time without any complications or difficulties.

I often wonder, what would my life be like today if I hadn't followed my doctor's advice? My weight would have continued to go up and today I could be morbidly obese. I can't say if I would be suffering from diabetes, cariovascular disease or cancer. Maybe I would, maybe I would not. But my lifestyle and quality of life would be very, very different. I see women of my age every day who are disabled and crippled by their weight. They suffer constant pain and their body has become a prison for life.

When I see young women who are on the brink of obesity I always wish I could walk up to them and tell them to do something now, before it is to late. It's not about how you look, it's about your health. You don't think about your weight as a health-issue when you are young, but when you are older good health is the most important factor when it comes to the quality of your life.

This is my reason for hating the FA and the message it is spreading amongst young women.
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